SEC Sports

Thursday, November 14, 2019

BREAKDOWN: Alabama leads all-time series with the Bulldogs but some classics have been played



Former "Voice of the Bulldogs" Jack Cristil
Many college football series’ that are considered rivalries are one sided, in regards to, wins and losses. Often times, the team on the losing side remembers the wins more than its opposition. Such is the case with the Mississippi State rivalry with its friends from Tuscaloosa.
The Bulldogs will entertain Alabama this Saturday in Starkville with quite a bit on the line for both teams. Mississippi State (4-5, 2-4 SEC) is looking to go to its 10th consecutive bowl game and 2nd straight under head coach Joe Moorhead. The Crimson Tide (8-1, 5-1 SEC) will be looking to rebound off a gut wrenching loss to LSU last week in what many are calling the game of the year in college football.

Alabama leads the all-time series in commanding fashion


If you look through the record books, a few numbers will pop out at you. The series, which dates back to 1896, has Bama in the lead 82-18-3 between the two SEC foes. Most of the wins come from 1958-1994, with MSU only winning once in 1980. It’s tough to make up ground trailing an opponent 37-1 during that span.

MSU Head coach Jackie Sherrill

Over the past 20 years, the series has been much more competitive. Former MSU head coach Jackie Sherrill provided a nice punch in the mid-1990’s with the Bulldogs winning 3 in a row over the Tide from 1996-1998, the first time the Bulldogs had won more than 2 in a row in the series since 1914.
Frankly, between 1996-2007, MSU and Bama were tied at 6-6 and it was a great time to be a Bulldog when the Tide came calling. Jackie Sherrill finished 4-9, the winningest coach in school history against the Crimson Tide.
From that point on, Nick Saban has created a dynasty in T-Town and the closest the game has been is 25-20 back in 2014 with Saban calling the shots, including one of the best coaches in MSU history, Dan Mullen, finishing 0-9 against the Tide.
Alabama currently has an 11 game winning streak heading into this week’s game.

There have been a few classic moments between the two teams


While former Mississippi State head coach Sylvester Croom only took the Bulldogs to 1 bowl game in his tenure and didn’t win many games, one thing he did was beat Alabama.
Twice.
Croom would finish with an overall record of 21-38 and 10-30 in the SEC but finished 2-3 against his former school. Croom is remembered as being the first African-American to play for Bama head coach Paul “Bear” Bryant.
The two wins were classics.

MSU Head coach Sylvester Croom

In 2006, Quinton Culberson would intercept Bama quarterback John Parker Wilson and return the pick for the touchdown, leading MSU to a 24-16 upset win over the Tide in Bryant-Denny Stadium. The following season, It would be Anthony Johnson returning a Wilson interception 100 yards for a score to lift the Bulldogs to another upset win over the #24 Crimson Tide, 17-12, this time under head coach Nick Saban.
None have been bigger than the 1980 game in Jackson that featured the #1 ranked Crimson Tide against the Bulldogs led by quarterback John Bond. Many forget, this Bulldog team would finish the season under head coach Emory Bellard with a Sun Bowl appearance and a regular season record of 9-2.
Few people gave the Bulldogs a chance, mainly because the Tide came in with both an overall winning streak of 28-games in a row and a 22-game winning streak against Mississippi State.
The defense, led by Bulldog defensive end Tyrone Keys, stopped the Tide before it was about to score with Keys recovering a fumble to secure the 6-3 win in Jackson, Miss.
It was the single biggest win in the history of Mississippi State football history.

Can the Bulldogs break the streak on Saturday?


If MSU has any shot of winning against Alabama, it will be on the back of running back Kylin Hill and the arm of quarterback Tommy Stevens. With a healthy Stevens, the Bulldogs have shown it can score through the air by looking at the games early in the season against Louisiana and Southern Miss.
Throw in a healthy Hill and running quarterback Garrett Shrader and the proper recipe could be made for an upset.
While this Alabama team is fresh off a loss, any letdown inside a raucous Davis Wade Stadium in Starkville could prove to be problematic for the Tide.
Like any Nick Saban led team, I expect Alabama to be laser focused on Saturday.

Friday, November 1, 2019

Memphis head coach Mike Norvell has brought the city College Gameday




The City of Memphis, TN is being welcoming the biggest roadshow in college football this weekend to its historic Beal Street entertainment district.

ESPN’s circus we love deemed “College Gameday” will be propped up adjacent to BB King’s Blues Club and the Rum Boogie Café.

Putting it bluntly, the Saturday morning program is taking the Bluff City by storm because of one man, Memphis Tiger head coach Mike Norvell.

The former Central Arkansas wide receiver could arguably be the hottest coach in the country as his #24 Tigers host undefeated #15 SMU as the prime time game on ABC with the No. 1 crew of Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit.

Let that sink in for a moment.

A program that its rivals coined the term “Tiger High” is anything but under the direction of Norvell. In just 2 seasons, he’s 15-5 in the regular season, including a 31-30 loss to then unranked UCF on national television.

To put things into perspective, a few years ago, head coach Larry Porter finished 2 seasons by winning just 3 games total. In 1996, when the Tigers grabbed its biggest win in program history by beating the #6 Tennessee in Memphis, the Tigers finished the season winning only 4 games under head coach Rip Scherer.

Just how big of a win for what was a hapless program? Scherer would finish with an overall record of 22-44 having never had a winning season.

Current Virginia Tech head coach Justin Fuente turned the success he had in Memphis into his current job where he is 5-2 and looks to lead the Hokies to the postseason again. At Memphis, he had unprecedented success, leading the Tigers to its first bowl game since the 2008 season. Fuente, who would finish with a 26-24 overall record, was the first coach to have a winning record as the schools head coach since Fred Pancoast, dating back to the 1972-1974 seasons, finishing 20-12-1.

In just his 3rd season on the job, with 4 regular season games remaining, Norvell has a record of 23-12, good enough for 7th in Tiger history. In regards to percentages, he 2nd in school history behind Billy Murphy with a winning percentage of .657. Should Norvell finish strong, he could eclipse Murphy’s percentage at .673.

As the season comes down the stretch, Norvell will be the only Tiger skipper in program history to lead Memphis to a bowl game in each season he’s coached.

This could be the season to find Memphis in a bowl game deemed the biggest in program history. This season alone, Memphis has Houston, USF and Cincinatti left on the schedule, not including a possible American Conference championship game in play. With a win over Navy and a possible win this Saturday, the Tigers would be in perfect position.

All of this, of course, is because of Mike Norvell. A coach who has recruited at a high level his entire tenure.

Memphis is a program that celebrates coaches like Tommy West for taking the program to its first bowl game in 32-years and produced one of the schools greatest player in running back Deangelo Williams.

West finished with an overall record of 49-61 in 9 seasons.

While the season is ongoing, the biggest stage in ESPN College Gameday is in two, prime time television with Fowler and Herbstreit on ABC will be inside the Liberty Bowl on Saturday night and the man walking on the sideline is the reason for it all.

A program that has celebrated mediocrity for years can now celebrate success.


Tuesday, July 9, 2019

The SEC is full of "voices" that will live on forever


The Southeastern Conference is such a large part of our lives. Whether it be in Knoxville, Starkville, Tuscaloosa or Oxford, we all grew up following our favorite teams on the gridiron.

We’ve shed tears, both happy and sad, with family and friends, our entire football filled lives. There’s one staple that will forever be embroidered in the fabric of our fandom. Their names include John Ward, Jack Cristil, Paul Eells and Jim Fyffe.



It could be Larry Munson of Georgia so eloquently describe Georgia beating Tennessee back in 2001 late in the 4th quarter using a “hob nailed boot.” It might be when Jack Cristil wrapped up a victory in maroon and white against No 1. Alabama in 1980. Some will remember when Paul Eells called every yard of Matt Jones beating LSU inside War Memorial Stadium to advance to the SEC Championship Game in 2004.

For all of us, we were along side John Ward for so many years, counting down the yards before exclaiming, “Touchdown Tennessee.”

And finally, who will ever forget Rod Bramblett telling us all about the night that “Auburn was going to win the football game.”


As a kid in high school, I was simply enamored with collegiate football broadcasters. While so may were talking about the players, band and the pageantry, I was wondering what time the pregame show was starting. I was the kid inside the stadium listening on the Sony Walkman. I was the kid soaking it all in.

Frankly, it was the only way to keep up with a game if you weren’t inside the stadium in the late 1980’s until the mid 2000’s. Now with the SEC Network, every touchdown can be seen each Saturday. Back then, only a few games were televised on Saturday’s and you relyed on the play-by-play voices of the SEC. 

For me, I was essentially what Tune-in Radio is now for my friends. I had every SEC teams broadcast stations written down in my wallet. A night kickoff? Watch out, because the AM frequencies “powered up” at dark.



I tell the story often when I was returning from a game in Lexington, I was able to pick up the LSU vs. Mississippi State game driving through Nashville on the Big 870 AM out of New Orleans. I had all of the stations memorized, frankly.

Ole Miss: WQLJ 93.7 FM
Miss. State: WFCA 107.9 FM
Alabama: 94.1 WZBQ
Arkansas: KFFA 103.1 FM
LSU: The Big 870 AM
Vanderbilt: KWAM 990 AM
Tennessee: 680 AM
Kentucky: WHAS 840 AM
Georgia: WSB 750 AM

On Saturday nights, I always wanted to drive my mom’s car. It was a Buick and the AM reception was phenomenal. It wouldn’t be uncommon to see me perched on top of a hill listening to games.

I’ve heard many say that local radio broadcasts are a lost art. I beg to differ. In fact, they are more accessible now than ever. Each team streams all of the broadcasts via apps and websites. Secondly, you can find all of them on the Tune In radio app. As of the last few years, schools have started streaming the games via their own schools apps. I’ve yet to find a service that isn’t free to stream collegiate broadcasts.

To this day, I listen to every game I am covering on the radio. I cannot imagine not having that option. The conference is incredibly lucky to have guys like Bob Kesling at Tennessee and Neil Price at Mississippi State to keep the legacies of those who have passed on alive and well.

Just last year I talked to Chuck Barrett, who was charged with the job of replacing Paul Eells at Arkansas over 10-years ago. Barrett, who does a phenomenal job, smiled and said it is an absolute pleasure serving the great Hog fans across the country.



I’ll admit, I don’t know what heaven is like. I really hope its guys like Ward, Munson and Cristil sitting around telling stories. I hope it will be a time where we all can sit around and hear those stories.  

Until then, we’ll be listening and happily along for the ride.

Sunday, June 16, 2019

COLUMN: The University of Mississippi is at a crossroads and never gets out of its own way. It has an opportunity to do just that.





In 1962, James Meredith was successfully admitted to the University of Mississippi. The school was integrated that same year as Ole Miss would rightly admit students no matter the color or race. Unfortunately, the school would still be the talk of racial strife with music, mascots and symbols. Noting the pushback and effort to be proactive, a decision was made to cease its affiliation to the confederate battle flag, the mascot noted as Colonel Reb and any music that referenced “Dixie.”

It should be noted, the University and the State of Mississippi is a loving place, full of people that will help our fellow neighbors regardless of skin color. Unfortunately, many throughout the country still believe Mississippi is a racially charged state with no way of any cohabitation between racial groups.
That couldn’t be further from the truth.

I am a proud Mississippian and so proud of how we have grown in so many areas. The University of Mississippi should be applauded as well, taking positive steps to make sure all of its alumni and fans feel welcomed and loved. Since the day Mr. Meredith stepped foot on campus, the universities leadership has done a great job of being an inclusive group, conversely, its has done a poor job of standing its ground to the detractors.


Since Dr. Robert Khayat retired, there has been a void of leadership to tell the world what Ole Miss has to offer. Rather than be defensive in what it has done wrong, tell the world what it is doing right and go on the offensive. Pound the podium and let the world know what the University of Mississippi has to offer future students. 

Stop walking on eggshells and carry a big hammer.

WAOM is a punchline. Tweeting it out by the marketing department only makes the point more vivid for the world to see. Do you want it to mean something? Change the narrative and make a difference.

Finally, it is high time the Ole Miss fans stand up and support the university for what it is. The Rebel faithful continue to be somewhat divided over the loss of an on the field mascot, a song and a flag. While the group gets smaller by the day, the administration made it a priority to advance forward with inclusivity. The fans that object need to follow suit. 

As long as there is a divide, it will only hinder the administration for advancing the university forward in all forms.



THE NCAA INVESTIGATION IS OVER AND ITS TIME TO PUSH THE RESET BUTTON.

The now infamous picture of former Chancellor Jeff Vitter, former Director of Athletics Ross Bjork and former head coach Hugh Freeze is quite telling. In order to move forward, the University had to make some tough decisions. Both Vitter and Freeze are gone. As we all know, Bjork has moved on as well. I think most believe Bjork leaving for Texas A&M was best for both parties.

For those three, including holding a press conference without any press, countless decisions were made during the entire process that was proven to be head scratching. From Freeze daring the NCAA to investigate the football program on Twitter to Bjork and Vitter making the decision to cooperate with the NCAA during the investigation, those were the most glaring.

While the actual findings and punishment were eventually rendered, it packed a very little punch. The actual time of the investigation is what was brutal on the program, with a plethora of the problems being self-inflicted. When the NCAA findings noted that Ole Miss did not exhibit cooperation into the investigation, while the administration remained steadfast in doing so, the writing was on the wall. None of the three leaders would ever totally win the fanbase back.

All three have now moved on in one capacity of the other.

THE NEW CHANCELLOR

For every Ole Miss fan reading this, it will be the biggest hire in your lifetime at Ole Miss. I firmly believe the right Chancellor would catapult the university to places it has never been. From giving to the school, endowment advances and student recruitment, Ole Miss and the Institution of Higher Learning board must make the right choice. 

The good news for Rebel fans, Dr. Ford Dye, a local ENT physician in Oxford, has Ole Miss’ best interest at heart. He is heading up the committee to hire the new Chancellor and has been on the board since his appointment by current Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant in 2012.

This is a new day. I look forward for the opportunity to see the committee look at candidates of color and those of the opposite sex, of a position where all 18 Chancellors have been males. Current interim Chancellor Larry Sparks has been terrific in his short time on the job. He has no interest in the permanent position but being a Mississippi native has been perfect for the transitional period.

Leadership at Ole Miss is something that has been void for quite some time. The good news for the new Chancellor, the only way to go is up. A place with the charm of Oxford, the beautiful campus and a school full of hard working professors and staff, the sky is the limit.

ROSS BJORK LEAVES FOR TEXAS A&M

Bjork was named the Director of Athletics at Ole Miss in 2012 and was perfect for the job. Ole Miss needed a fresh face at the time and Bjork was a home run. With stints at Western Kentucky, UCLA, Missouri and Western Illinois, Bjork hit the ground running. Before he would depart Oxford, Bjork would double the budget at Ole Miss from $57-million to $117-million.

Facility improvements were also a priority during his tenure as the Manning Center was built for football, Swayze Field continued to receive updates, Vaught-Hemingway Stadium saw its North end bowled in and the jewel of the campus, The Pavilion, was built for the Ole Miss basketball team.

He excelled in so many areas and should be commended for his time in Oxford in those areas.

In decisions not of his volition, Bjork would see the athletic program mired in NCAA troubles. From women’s basketball, track and football, Bjork and the administration would make the decision to comply with the NCAA in regards to cooperating during the investigation, which proved to be vital in the demise of the department in many facets. 

The lack of transparency would also prove to be a detriment. We learned that Bjork and Ole Miss fought hard inside the Embassy Suites in Covington, KY, yet the dye was cast for many Ole Miss fans. Bjork, Vitter and Freeze would lose fans and supporters they would never get back.

In the annuls of history, Bjork very well could be one of the most decorated athletic directors in the history of the University of Mississippi. Due to the NCAA disaster, many will feel that will not be the case.

The next AD for Ole Miss will also be a big hire. Just like the Chancellor hire, the athletic program, specifically the football program, has a great opportunity to turn the page. Currently Keith Carter is acting Director of Athletics and the perfect person for the transition. 

Carter, a former standout in hoops at Ole Miss, could potentially be the long term AD. Regardless, the incoming Chancellor will make the decision and Carter could be a viable candidate.

THE NEW BEGINNING SHOULD START NOW

At the end of the day, Ole Miss needs to turn the page. From academic recruiting, to giving, to marketing, to all points in-between. Now is the time to hit the reset button.

Ole Miss is much more than a person in a costume patrolling the sideline, it’s much more than a song or a piece of cloth on a stick.
Ole Miss is a place where everyone is and always will be welcomed. 

It’s a place where friends and family can come together in The Grove on Gameday and tell stories about all the games of the past, share recipes and eat until you can’t eat anymore. It’s the smell of the flowers and the Pride of the South playing before the game and meeting your future wife. 

It’s a place to receive a quality education, learn a ton of life lessons and know that your education can take you places you could never dream of.

With a new Chancellor, Athletic Director in place and all of the fans pulling in the same direction, Ole Miss could rise to places it has never been before.



Friday, September 2, 2016

Hugh Freeze, Rebs, ready to put the ball down and play the 'Noles



Rebels face Florida State on Labor Day in Orlando

By: Brad Logan

Ole Miss head coach Hugh Freeze has Florida State in his cross hairs and he’s not deviating from the objective at hand. You knew it was coming. 

It came.

The third question posed by a reporter, contained the word “distractions” in regards to an Ole Miss program facing NCAA sanctions. Freeze stared and quickly added, “I didn’t know we had adversity. I have said this a hundred times, our players are the priority. They have zero to do with whatever the noise is. They should be the focus, and that is what motivates me.”

Photo via USA Today
And there it is. Freeze has had enough and to an extent, all of college football has. The almost four year investigation into the Ole Miss athletic department has reached a point to where many are wondering what is the end game and what will it entail. 

On the field, Freeze is ready to don the headsets and hang out on the sidelines at Camping World Stadium this Labor Day night against the Seminoles, a team chock full of talent. The ‘Nole offense looks to run through its tailback Dalvin Cook and he’s a good one says Freeze,” We didn’t play Georgia last year, but he is probably similar to their guy (Nick Chubb.) He has a lower center of gravity.” 

High praise. 

One position the FSU offense is not experienced in is quarterback. Deondre Francois is set to make his first start under center for Florida State and Freeze is not altering the game plan defensively. “We are going to go call our game plan like we’ve planned it, probably make a few tweaks here and there. He won’t have any effect on how we will call the game.”

Following a second question about the outside interference having any bearing on his staff or players, Freeze defiantly responded, “Yeah, we are just ready to put the ball down and play.”

 They’ll get their chance on Monday night.

Friday, January 30, 2015

Nola, St. Jude and grilled oysters from Felix's




It was one click of the mouse. I hovered the cursor over the submit button and selected it. In conjunction with St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital, I would be participating in the Rock n’ Roll Half Marathon in New Orleans.

It wasn’t a difficult decision, mind you. One of my best friends in the world encouraged me to do so. You know, he said he was running and like any other guy, I cannot be one upped, so I agreed. 

Calvin White and I began the long and strenuous training regimen to successfully complete a run across downtown Nola to the tune of 13.1 miles. We both laid out a training plan, stuck to the manual and cruised right along. Honestly, neither of us faced any physical hurdles during training. Well, if you’re not counting our wives. Melissa and Amanda were probably happier than we were when we finished. Both were incredibly supportive for those night runs and long Saturday and Sunday treks around random places in Mississippi. 

Little did we know, while physically we were ready, emotionally we had no idea what was in store.

I began pondering a run for St. Jude after hearing publisher of RebelGrove.com Neal McCready talk about how rewarding it was. He ran the full Chicago Marathon and raised an incredible amount of money. For me personally, he was an invaluable source for training, nutrition and moral support via his daily podcasts. When Calvin called, the decision was easy. 

As the date drew closer, I began to get nervous. It was if I was about to experience something I wasn’t ready for. It was an exciting feeling but one I met with massive trepidation. So many thoughts would creep in your head loaded with doubt and uncertainty. A feeling you don’t belong. A fear of failure.
Calvin and I headed south on Interstate-55 and our plan was in place. We left early on Saturday for the early Sunday morning race. Check in at the expo, grab lunch at Mother’s, head over to Café Du’Monde and settle in at the hotel and rest. 



I was invited to the St. Jude dinner Saturday evening to carb up but was trying to talk myself out of going. I decided to go out of respect. 


This is where the true story of my race began.

When I walked into the room, I sat in the back. A gentleman came to me and sat down. He introduced himself and we talked about sports. Being that I was donning a red Ole Miss pullover, we talked about the LSU/Ole Miss game.
I talked about family and so did he. He talked about his son Bradley.

He paused.

“My hero is my son,” he said. “My son Bradley has Leukemia and he’s my hero.”

Hugh Hamilton, in one sentence, personified why I get up every morning. In one sentence, he laid out the blueprint of why I planned on running by taking 26,218 steps the next morning.

Our St. Jude liaison introduced the featured speaker. It was Hugh Hamilton.

Fitting, I know.

Hugh spoke about the attitude his son has. Football? It might have saved his life. Bradley, an aggressive wide out, was streaking across the middle on a slant pattern. He was hit. Hard.

Following a C/T scan, the doctor had news. Hugh was busy being on the board at Nicholls State University and an avid member of the LSU family. Bradley? Just a solid student and ardent athlete at E.D. White Catholic School.

The news wasn’t what they wanted. “We found something. You have leukemia,” were the words from the doctor.

The world turned on a dime. All of a sudden, everything else was pushed aside. Fast forward to the present and Bradley is doing well. Leukemia treatment is a painstakingly 2.5 year process. 

In Hugh’s final words of the night, he read a letter Bradley wrote to the nursing staff at the satellite office of St. Jude in Baton Rouge. 

It was a full page thank you note. This coming from a teenager, who had gone through more hell than I can fathom, writes a thank you note. I learned this night the apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

Hugh came back to the table, put his arm on my shoulder and with tears in his eyes said, “That’s my son, Bradley…my hero.”

Hugh Hamilton, St. Jude featured speaker
I was in the right place.

I did a lot of thinking on my walk back to the hotel. I reflected on the loss of my uncle Satch Logan and the battle my dad had with cancer. I thought about all the kids at the McDonald house in Memphis. I thought about their families. I thought about my daughter Evie and my wife Melissa. 

As we both woke and prepared on race day, Calvin suggested we could load up and be home in a few hours. I laughed and said no way but thought seriously about it. I was very nervous and the doubt was creeping in. Our hotel was very close to the check-in station and we headed that way. A “fish out of water” is a pretty safe description of the current state of affairs. 

We met a ton of people. No one was more athletic than the runner who was one week removed from running in the Phoenix Marathon. One. Week.
This didn’t help my anxiety or the current situation. 

Before:

When our time came, we were off. Three miles turned into six and we settled in. Everyone had a story to tell whether you knew them or not. There’s the fifteen members of the NOLA youth society that were running for downtown youth awareness against violence. There was the lady that was running for her son that lost his battle to liver disease. 

There was the Iraqi war veteran that was running on two prosthetic legs. There was the guy running with a purple shirt. For those that don’t know, it’s for support of Lymphoma. I briefly chatted with him and shared my dad’s story. I told him my dad was my hero. He said he was running for his wife. Before I put my earphones back in, I heard Calvin tell him he was running for his daughter Bailey. While she was only on earth for a short while, she was loved beyond measure.

“I’m running for my daughter Bailey today,” he said. I immediately looked up and knew she wasn’t hurting anymore and could see that smile looking down.
I understood this was not just a race. 
This was a life changing experience.

After 11.5 miles, seemingly gallons of Gatorade, salt pouches and packs of gels that tasted like garbage, I was out of gas. I thought about all the people that physically could no longer run or had passed away. I pressed on. I felt I had no choice.

I was going to finish. 

At the 12-mile marker, I was hurting. Bad. Heading north on Esplanade, we crossed Hwy 90, which is a four lane highway. People were lining the highway. When I saw the finish line in the distance, people were cheering. I didn’t know them and they didn’t know me. The feeling of crossing the finish line is impossible to put into words.

Once we finished an embraced the moment, food was the next item on the agenda. Felix’s was the decision and it did not disappoint. 

Felix's Oyster Bar
Heading home was much different. The trip had begun with worries of finishing, while the trip home was a fulfilling reenactment of what we hope to duplicate in the future. 

I’d be remiss if I didn’t thank the people that donated to St. Jude and sponsored the run. Katie Casanova, the liaison for St. Jude, did a fantastic job in her coordination efforts. The Rock n’ Roll crew and emergency officials were top notch. Finally, Hugh Hamilton and the families of St. Jude were the reason for my trip. It was an honor representing those guys. My good friend Calvin White. There are some good people on this earth but the line starts behind him. My wonderful wife Melissa was very supportive and I could not have finished without her.  

If I learned anything, the most important thing, is anything is possible. I truly believe that now.